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		<title>by: winch</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-1098</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 08:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is great! It really shows me where to expand my blog. I think that sometime in the future I might try to write a book to go along with my blog, but we will see.Good post with useful tips and ideas. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is great! It really shows me where to expand my blog. I think that sometime in the future I might try to write a book to go along with my blog, but we will see.Good post with useful tips and ideas.
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		<title>by: Felicia Gilljam</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-601</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Yoke, I'm very happy to hear that! I've decided to start posting more stuff on basic biology on this blog. Since I'm still a mere student I don't think I have much to say about current research, but I love trying to communicate the knowledge I do possess to the interested layman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks Yoke, I&#8217;m very happy to hear that! I&#8217;ve decided to start posting more stuff on basic biology on this blog. Since I&#8217;m still a mere student I don&#8217;t think I have much to say about current research, but I love trying to communicate the knowledge I do possess to the interested layman.
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		<title>by: Yoke</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-597</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions!

And you're good...you're really good...

I could actually understand all that and most importantly, my head didn't explode! (this coming from someone whose recollection of the &quot;beginning of life&quot; is loadsa lightning and a bowl of soup...I know, I'm a bit of a retard...but at least I admit it :-P).

It never fails to amaze me the sort of connection we have with the universe around us if we go way, way back in time :-)

Anyways, I think people are adverse to cloning because it might one day result in human cloning (or are we actually cloning humans already? I've no idea). And they're adverse to that thought because we believe ourselves unique. Being able to make replicas of ourselves would mean we're dispensable and replaceable I guess. Then there's the ethical issues of tampering with human subjects. Throw religion into the mix and we have a riot.

Btw, I'm glad you tagged Kafir Girl for the meme thingy...else I wouldn't have come across your blog :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions!</p>
	<p>And you&#8217;re good&#8230;you&#8217;re really good&#8230;</p>
	<p>I could actually understand all that and most importantly, my head didn&#8217;t explode! (this coming from someone whose recollection of the &#8220;beginning of life&#8221; is loadsa lightning and a bowl of soup&#8230;I know, I&#8217;m a bit of a retard&#8230;but at least I admit it <img src='http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
	<p>It never fails to amaze me the sort of connection we have with the universe around us if we go way, way back in time <img src='http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Anyways, I think people are adverse to cloning because it might one day result in human cloning (or are we actually cloning humans already? I&#8217;ve no idea). And they&#8217;re adverse to that thought because we believe ourselves unique. Being able to make replicas of ourselves would mean we&#8217;re dispensable and replaceable I guess. Then there&#8217;s the ethical issues of tampering with human subjects. Throw religion into the mix and we have a riot.</p>
	<p>Btw, I&#8217;m glad you tagged Kafir Girl for the meme thingy&#8230;else I wouldn&#8217;t have come across your blog <img src='http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Felicia Gilljam</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-596</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 13:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Yoke!

Yep, parthenogenesis is pretty much exactly like cloning yourself. Speaking of which, I never really understood people's adversness to cloning. If we can work out the kinks of the process, it's nothing weird - happens in nature all the time. Identical twins are clones!

Second question is trickier, but a very good one. I actually don't really know, and as far as I'm aware, no one does... but then that's the case for the evolution of the sexes as well so I suppose that's no excuse for me not to at least try to answer. ;)

First of all, the main division of different types of cells isn't that of plants and animals, but between prokaryotes (cells with no nucleus) and eukaryotes (cells with a nucleus and other membrane-bound compartments like mitochondria). The first cells were most likely very much like bacteria, and it stayed that way for a very, very long time. Life first appeared about 3.8 billion years ago, and eukaryotes probably didn't turn up until about 2 billion years ago!

The appearance of eukaryotes, the life-forms that would eventually evolve multicellularity, probably had something to do with a process called endo-symbiosis. Possibly some prokaryotic cells had a habit of engulfing and digesting other cells, and at some point, they stopped digesting. If such a cell engulfed a photosynthesising cyano-bacterium, that bacterium could live inside the cell, and eventually &quot;devolve&quot; into a chloroplast. Something similar happened with mitochondria. Radical theories suggest that this is what happened with all the organelles (membrane-bound compartments) in eukaryotic cells.

After this, another billion year passed, and my guess is that different kinds of eukaryotic cells probably specialised during this time. Some, the ones that were good at photosynthesis, developed hard shells (cell walls) and stopped moving about, whereas others became more motile. Others, related to the motile ones, must have developed whatever odd qualities that led them to evolve into fungi.

And then multicellularity turned up and things get really interesting and just a bit less hypothetical. ;)

So anyway, to try to summarise my answer, I'd say that the first plant and animal cells were distinguished by whether they had &quot;swallowed&quot; photosynthesising endosymbionts or not. But they didn't actually turn into the multicellular plants and animals we think of today until much, much later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hi Yoke!</p>
	<p>Yep, parthenogenesis is pretty much exactly like cloning yourself. Speaking of which, I never really understood people&#8217;s adversness to cloning. If we can work out the kinks of the process, it&#8217;s nothing weird - happens in nature all the time. Identical twins are clones!</p>
	<p>Second question is trickier, but a very good one. I actually don&#8217;t really know, and as far as I&#8217;m aware, no one does&#8230; but then that&#8217;s the case for the evolution of the sexes as well so I suppose that&#8217;s no excuse for me not to at least try to answer. <img src='http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>First of all, the main division of different types of cells isn&#8217;t that of plants and animals, but between prokaryotes (cells with no nucleus) and eukaryotes (cells with a nucleus and other membrane-bound compartments like mitochondria). The first cells were most likely very much like bacteria, and it stayed that way for a very, very long time. Life first appeared about 3.8 billion years ago, and eukaryotes probably didn&#8217;t turn up until about 2 billion years ago!</p>
	<p>The appearance of eukaryotes, the life-forms that would eventually evolve multicellularity, probably had something to do with a process called endo-symbiosis. Possibly some prokaryotic cells had a habit of engulfing and digesting other cells, and at some point, they stopped digesting. If such a cell engulfed a photosynthesising cyano-bacterium, that bacterium could live inside the cell, and eventually &#8220;devolve&#8221; into a chloroplast. Something similar happened with mitochondria. Radical theories suggest that this is what happened with all the organelles (membrane-bound compartments) in eukaryotic cells.</p>
	<p>After this, another billion year passed, and my guess is that different kinds of eukaryotic cells probably specialised during this time. Some, the ones that were good at photosynthesis, developed hard shells (cell walls) and stopped moving about, whereas others became more motile. Others, related to the motile ones, must have developed whatever odd qualities that led them to evolve into fungi.</p>
	<p>And then multicellularity turned up and things get really interesting and just a bit less hypothetical. <img src='http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>So anyway, to try to summarise my answer, I&#8217;d say that the first plant and animal cells were distinguished by whether they had &#8220;swallowed&#8221; photosynthesising endosymbionts or not. But they didn&#8217;t actually turn into the multicellular plants and animals we think of today until much, much later.
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		<title>by: Yoke</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-595</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow! This is really interesting.

So is parthenogenesis sorta like cloning yourself? Since it's the exact same genetic make-up?

Also, I'm wondering, at which point in evolution did living cells become plant and animal?

My knowledge of biology is basic at it's best, so I hope you'll be patient with me :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow! This is really interesting.</p>
	<p>So is parthenogenesis sorta like cloning yourself? Since it&#8217;s the exact same genetic make-up?</p>
	<p>Also, I&#8217;m wondering, at which point in evolution did living cells become plant and animal?</p>
	<p>My knowledge of biology is basic at it&#8217;s best, so I hope you&#8217;ll be patient with me <img src='http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Felicia Gilljam</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-588</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mike, that's perfectly correct. This demonstrates the short-sightedness of evolution - parthenogenetic females will take over a population when conditions are stable, as they can spend less time on finding mates, and their genes will become much more common as they will be undiluted each generation. However, the moment conditions are no longer favourable for their particular genetic make-up, they're less able to cope with this than sexually reproducing individuals. This might very well lead to extinction - but evolution doesn't really care, does it? Plenty of organisms have evolved themselves out of existance because a trait that might be massively useful at one point isn't so at a later point. Natural selection doesn't look forwards, it's simply a reaction to the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mike, that&#8217;s perfectly correct. This demonstrates the short-sightedness of evolution - parthenogenetic females will take over a population when conditions are stable, as they can spend less time on finding mates, and their genes will become much more common as they will be undiluted each generation. However, the moment conditions are no longer favourable for their particular genetic make-up, they&#8217;re less able to cope with this than sexually reproducing individuals. This might very well lead to extinction - but evolution doesn&#8217;t really care, does it? Plenty of organisms have evolved themselves out of existance because a trait that might be massively useful at one point isn&#8217;t so at a later point. Natural selection doesn&#8217;t look forwards, it&#8217;s simply a reaction to the past.
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		<title>by: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-587</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...when the environment is stable, you don’t NEED your offspring to be diverse...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah.  But what if the environment changes?  Then we won't be able to adapt.  Of course, by then we'll be growing babies in test tubes.  (sigh)  My half of the species will just fade away.  (It is, too, sad!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<blockquote><p>&#8230;when the environment is stable, you don’t NEED your offspring to be diverse&#8230;</p></blockquote>
	<p>Ah.  But what if the environment changes?  Then we won&#8217;t be able to adapt.  Of course, by then we&#8217;ll be growing babies in test tubes.  (sigh)  My half of the species will just fade away.  (It is, too, sad!)
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		<title>by: Felicia Gilljam</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-586</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, mike, but that's exactly the point - when the environment is stable, you don't NEED your offspring to be diverse. Hence no need to dilute your DNA with someone else's, you can just let it pass unaltered to the next generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, mike, but that&#8217;s exactly the point - when the environment is stable, you don&#8217;t NEED your offspring to be diverse. Hence no need to dilute your DNA with someone else&#8217;s, you can just let it pass unaltered to the next generation.
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		<title>by: mikespeir</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-585</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>But doesn't parthenogenesis (as in some lizards) send us back to the problem of no genetic diversity?  Not quite on-topic, I realize, but I was wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>But doesn&#8217;t parthenogenesis (as in some lizards) send us back to the problem of no genetic diversity?  Not quite on-topic, I realize, but I was wondering.
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		<title>by: Tor</title>
		<link>http://lifebeforedeath.blogsome.com/2009/01/12/more-atheist-answers/#comment-584</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Beautiful writing, nice exposition of an interesting subject matter I knew nothing about.  I hope you get more emails from religiosos!</description>
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